20 Jul
2024
20 Jul
'24
11:10 a.m.
John,
It is a pity indeed that he passed away, he was a scientist of the constructive type.
Since I always saw a similarity in your and Ronalds approach in how you deal with Peirce
maybe it is a good time ta ask your opinion about this.
Both of you differ from the main sentiment on peirce-list, which concentrates on
interpretations on what peirce might have ment. So the theoretical fight is about the
right interpretation of the masters writings. Concentration on the signs in itself, seems
an adequate label.
Alternatively, the both of you use Peirce in order to contribute to his goal with
semiotics, which is to understand interpretation processes as sign processes. But, the
perspectives differ offering different views on the processes.
In my opinion you concentrate on the semantic dimension, while Ronald had a keen eye for
the pragmatic dimension, the pragmmatic and social layers of his ladder. This shows in his
ontology charts in which always society is the most remote root node. Thus it becomes
possible to adress the problem of differing knowledge systems in any actual situation,
hence also Ronalds heavy interest in 'responsible behavior'.
I am curious after your view on the relation between your graphs and Stampers charts.
Best,
Auke van Breemen
PS. In https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-319-94541-5_10 I elaborate on
Stampers take.
Op 19-07-2024 23:47 CEST schreef John F Sowa
<sowa(a)bestweb.net>et>:
Simon,
I'm sorry to hear that Stamper had died. I had regarded his work over the years as
quite respectable.
Most readers are unlikely to click on titles with URLs. But if you include an
interesting quotation (one or two paragraphs), they are more likely to click. Perhaps you
could elaborate on your note below.
John
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From: "Polovina, Simon (BTE)' via ontolog-forum"
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Hi all.
John, thank you for interrelating the multiple semantics and ontology projects in
https://jfsowa.com/ikl, a handy resource!
Regarding the article forwarded by Alex, Stamper’s Semiotic ladder would be
pertinent:tp://assets.cs.ncl.ac.uk/seminars/101.pdf
http://assets.cs.ncl.ac.uk/seminars/101.pdf (and multiple subsequent materials on the
subject: https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=stampers+semiotic+ladder)
I’ve referred to it in my past work, e.g.:
* A Transaction-oriented architecture for enterprise systems - Sheffield Hallam
University Research Archive (shu.ac.uk) https://shura.shu.ac.uk/7988/
* Semiotic models of trust and usability for agent-managed Grid services - Sheffield
Hallam University Research Archive (shu.ac.uk) https://shura.shu.ac.uk/1173/
I believe that the late Stamper’s work is underrepresented, but it would be interesting
to hear your thoughts.
Thanks!
Simon
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