BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }Lyle I have my old photocopy of a 1973 Bantam edition and see that I have underlined a good deal in, among other places, Ch 12, and ...'the world we know is constructed in order [and thus in such a way as to be able] to see itself]. [ch 12, p 105]. And of course, the construction and the 'seeing itself' operate within the existence of Forms- but the Forms emerge within/as a triadic function. That is, the world doesn't operate within the mechanical dyadic reduction of Observer/Observed, but as noted, the observer is part of the Form. In Peirce, this relation is one of mediation , where input data is mediated by the laws within the 'recipient/observer'...to result in a transformation of this input data to an output 'interpretant'. That is, hydrogen and oxygen molecules [input] are mediated by the laws-of-physics/chemistry [observer] to transform into a water molecule. I also refer to Spencer Brown's 'imaginary' which I compare with Peirce's mode of Thirdness, i.e., non-local, not-actualized rules-of-organization. As for complex adaptive systems, and self-organization - it's a huge field- and I've used many references in the past. Edwina On Sun 16/01/22 6:13 PM , lylephone(a)cox.net sent: Edwina, Given your objective, you will find the fundamental source of "the triad" in the Laws of Form, which ends with the statement: "We see now that the first distinction, the mark, and the observer are not only interchangeable, but, in the form, identical." For the answer to the question of how "self-organizing", i.e., living systems work you really should start with Illobrand von Ludwiger's monogram on "The New Worldview of the Physicist Burkhard Heim." Yes, the mathematics is extremely difficult, but Heim was as good or maybe better that Einstein in giving a general, but intelligent, audience explanation of his theory. Von Ludwiger does an outstanding job in pulling it all together. One of the things I told the folks on another forum is that whenever you see the word "tensor" think "form" because that is what they are in essence. Tensors are multi-compartmented distinctions that have their own rules that are an addition to the Calculus of Indications developed by GSB in Laws of Form. Best regards, Lyle _______________________________________________ CG mailing list -- cg(a)lists.iccs-conference.org [1] To unsubscribe send an email to cg-leave(a)lists.iccs-conference.org [2] Links: ------ [1] http://webmail.primus.ca/javascript:top.opencompose(\'cg@lists.iccs-con… [2] http://webmail.primus.ca/javascript:top.opencompose(\'cg-leave@lists.ic…